Yet, the real decision makers were discussing the issue several days back at the 60th Bilderberg conference – a media-shy annual event, held in Copenhagen last weekend. So what are the plans, carved out by the Bilderbergers? The Voice of Russia is getting an insight into the discussion at one of most secretive gatherings in the world, together with Daniel Estulin, political analyst and journalist with a special focus on Bilderberg policies.
“I think their position is very clear from their final objective and, their final objective, obviously, is the end game in Russia. Until Russia can be subjugated, you will not be able to have one world government, one world order, one World Company Ltd – call it whatever you want.
So, what we are seeing right now it is not only in Ukraine, but all around the world. We see it in Detroit how not only the city itself, but the USA is being deindustrialized on purpose. We see it in Karakas in Venezuela. We see it in Thailand. We saw it in the Soviet Union back in the 1990’es. We saw it in Yugoslavia back in the 1990’es.
It is the idea of destruction, deindustrialization, zero growth. Again, the end game is Russia and until you can subjugate Russia, one way or another, you are not going to have your one World Company Ltd, one world government. And this is basically what is behind all of these attempts.
And this actually goes back even before the WWII, except for that the Soviet Union won that war and didn’t allow the Nazi and consequently the elite take over the territory and the natural resources, something that they tried to do very-very hard during the dark period in the 1990’es with Yeltsin in power. And they almost succeeded until Putin came into power and made a very strong push back and put things at place.
Why are they talking about Russia? China seems to be a more likely enemy in the long run.
One of the key issues discussed this year at the Bilderberg conference is the fact that the European and American Bilderbergers for the first time in many years, since 2002 were actually in disagreement and were somewhat at each other’s throat. The European Bilderbergers were saying to the American delegation – you wanted us to impose sanctions, we did and now the Russians made a deal with the Chinese.
Somebody has forgot to lock the back door and now we have the Chinese and the Russians signing this enormous gas deal worth about $400 billion knowing that the nightmare scenario for the Bilderbergers, for the Western elite, is the fact that the Chinese, the Russians and now the Iranians are working closely together, and will be working closely together. This deal that the Russians signed with the Chinese will help Kremlin reduce Russia’s reliance on gas exports to Europe. And it’s proved that Putin has allies when he seeks to blunt these Western sanctions over Ukraine.
Some of the other things discussed as far as Russia and China are concerned is that both Russia and China want to assert themselves as regional powers. Both have increasingly strained relations with America, which helped them to join forces this particular way.
That said, as the American Bilderbergers reminded the rest at this year’s conference in Copenhagen, for 40 years Richard Nixon, Kissinger persuaded China to turn against the Soviet Union and ally with America. And so, there are a lot of questions asked, rhetorical questions at the Bilderberg conferences, that today’s collaboration between Russia and China amounts to a new alliance against America.
And to a certain degree they agreed that it does, but then, they also said that a silver line that they can actually see is the fact that the Russian elites can be split as a force. For example, one of the things that the Bilderbergers agreed on is that the Western banks become more reluctant to extend loans to Russia. Russia will get loans from the Chinese banks and there will show the gap.
There is another important element to keep in mind, that despite all of this Russia and China will struggle to overcome some fundamental differences. And we can see the fact that the gas deal itself, as Bilderbergers said at the conference, it took ten years to make and the deal was announced the last minute. So, how hard it was to reach an agreement?
And the European Bilderbergers from their sources were saying that the Chinese basically drove a hard bargain and got an upper hand in the deal, because Putin was desperate to reach this agreement.
There is also another element, as far as the Chinese-Russian relations where China has the upper hand, the Chinese are not only getting gas from Russia, they are getting it now from Australia and Central Asia. And when the China’s global power is growing, the Bilderbergers agreed that Russia is decline corroded by corruption and also unable to diversify its economy away from the natural resources.
These are some of the conclusions at the Bilderberg conference.
Another thing that the Bilderbergers are willing to do is actually play the Chinese against the Russians. They said that the Chinese Government will expect the Kremlin to recognize this historic shift in power, which is a recipe for Chinese impatience and also Russia’s resentment.
And while the two countries are untied against America, they also need a stabilizing influence. Needless to say, the Russians and the Chinese are tussling for an important Central Asia. You know, they have this enormous border. On the one side it is heavily populated by the Chinese who have no natural resources. And on the other side you have partially populated Russian part of the border with enormous quantity of commodities.
That is something that the Russians obviously need to keep in mind. And as one American at the Bilderberg said – despite the fact that the Russians and the Chinese have made this agreement, it will be very easy to sabotage the actual outflow of gas.
He reminded Bilderbergers that many of Russia’s tactical nuclear weapons are still pointed at China. And in the long run, the Russians and the Chinese are just as likely to fallout, according to Bilderberger, as to form an alliance.
So, expect in the near future the American and the European oligarchies and governments firmly stand behind the Chinese against the Russians.
So, what is your forecast? What kind of tactics will the Bilderbergers chose vis-à-vis Russia? Is it going to be military tactics? Is it going to be financial tactics, economic or what? And the second question is – do you think that they will succeed in breaking the cooperation between Russia and China?
It will be difficult to do that, because both understand that the common enemy is the US, the common enemy if the Western oligarchy. And even if the Chinese decide to join the Americans temporarily, they understand that these are marriages of convenience and in the long run they will lose.
So, I don’t think so. I think the Chinese and the Russians, these are the civilizations on the ground for too long and they have a very strong historical tradition in diplomacy. So, to think that the Americans can actually convince the Russians or the Chinese to break this alliance in favour of something ephemeral, I think it is going to be very-very difficult to do.
I have a very difficult time believing that the Russians or the Chinese are going to jump the gun as far as military actions are concerned. They understand what the stakes are, because the next war, if there is a war, is not going to be fought with tactical weapons, it is going to be a thermonuclear war, which very well could be the end of civilization.
But what is absolutely true, is what we are seeing today (and this is, again, part of a very important element discussed at the Bilderberger conference), not only Russia-China alliance, the Ukraine’s situation, but the fact that we are seeing this rise of nationalism. Some mainstream media calls it extremism.
Marine Le Pen in France and Nigel Farage from the UKIP in England, they are not extremists at all. But we are looking at actually, and this is one of the reasons why the EU and the oligarchs on the world stage are very concerned, because we are looking at two different systems in place. One is a monetary system and the other one is a national credit system.
And whichever system wins or gets the upper hand, is the way the world is going to be run. Today the world is run by monetary system. If you are smart, you don’t want the monetary system to run the world, you want sovereign nation states to have their own credit system, which is in their currency.
And above all, it is the possibility of productive noninflationary credit creation by the state, which was stated in the American constitution and was exactly for that reason excluded by Maastricht, as a method of determining economic and financial policies.
In Europe this can’t be done, because in Europe the governments are subjected to control of private banking interests called independent banking system. And these institutions, they literally have the power to regulate governments and to dictate terms to governments. So, if you actually think about it, you are looking at the European Central Bank and the people at the Central Bank unelected by anyone in the world dictating terms to governments.
But there is no government, there is no nation, it is a group of nations run by a private bank. And it is insanity to belong to this system. And the idea is, what we are seeing right now with these particular private financial interests, basically, it grew up historically in Europe, it’s been installed this system as an authoritative instrument of Western economic policy of sovereign governments oriented towards the general welfare.
The European banking is a remnant of this feudal society in which private interests are still fought by the ancient Venetian cartels or by the Lombard League, which went down in the Dark Ages, in the 14th century when we had the first big financial collapse in 1345.
The bubble which is about to burst is much bigger than the 1345 bubble, which destroyed most of Europe, killed half of the population as a result of the bubonic plague. And what we are seeing right now is something far worse.
And needless to say that monetary crisis we are seeing right now on the world stage, it is the reflection of the insanity imposed upon a process of destroying the physical economy of the world, because, again, the idea is that progress and development is directly proportional to population density.
So, you have technology, you have progress, you have wealth and you are going to have more people on the planet. And if you are the elite, you don’t need more people, you don’t need 10-20 or 30 billion people, because there is not enough food and water for everybody.
If you are the elite, the 1% of the world, you need to destroy the population or reduce it. And the way to do it is destroying the world’s economy. And Detroit is a great example of this destruction. This is the poster child for the world economy.
We are seeing the same in Latin America, we are seeing the same in Ukraine, we are seeing the same in Thailand, and we saw the same back in the 1990’es when they split up the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia. So, again, what we are seeing right now in the world stage, and Ukraine is just a symptom of this, is just another piece, it is not the end game, the end game is Russia and until you destroy all the systems around it and you can actually send Russia to hell in handbasket, in order to be able to control the nation.
And until they do that, they will keep pushing any way they can, which is why it is so important that the Russian and the Chinese keep their alliance strong and understand that their common interests are far greater than anything else they can get temporarily from the Western powers.
Mikhail Alexandrov , leading researcher at the Center of military and political studies at MGIMO University in Moscow, Russia:
“I think that the main strategic goal of the West, and NATO in particular, is encircling Russia and then breaking it into several smaller states so that Russia would never again pose any challenge to the Western domination of the world. Now Moscow started to oppose this strategy, first in Georgia in 2008. NATO and the West resisted Russia and arranged for this coup d’etat in Ukraine, to drive Ukraine into the Western orbit and make it an enemy state to Russia and then proceed to the Caucasus, Georgia and Azerbaijan, put more pressure on them, and then go on – to Central Asia…. That is why Russia has taken firm measures to prevent this. The G7 is going to accuse Russia of all the sins, but it won’t work. Russian public is already well aware of the double standard approach used by the West.
At the turn of the centuries Russia adopted a conciliatory stance in relations with the West and NATO in particular. That has not worked either. Why?
I think, it was a mistake. NATO is an organization created against Russia. As one NATO leader used to say, their main goal was to keep Russians out, Germans down and Americans in. And it still remains the case. In fact the Cold war was transformed into the actual expansion of NATO to the east.
But why wouldn’t NATO opt for engaging Russia?
Because, like I said, they want to destroy Russia.
Why? Russia is no longer a communist country…
Because they want world domination, and Russia is the only state in the world which could defeat NATO and the West. If Russia is destroyed, there’ll be a unilateral Western domination in the world. They cannot win in the open ‘hot’ war, so that’s why they use all those means of military and political encirclement, spending so much resources, and money to achieve that goal….
The strategy of NATO remains unchanged, but tactics change and now, as Russia has started to fight back, they seem to have some disagreement on what kind of tactics should be applied in the news circumstances, and that’s what they could discuss at the Bilderberg meeting this year.
As for Russia, unfortunately there are some people in the Russian leadership who still believe a compromise with NATO is possible, but the history of relationship of the past 50 years proves that no compromise with NATO is possible. We should be strong, we should be able to fight back, we should be able to use force when necessary, and ony then NATO will behave itself properly”.
Источник: Voice of Russia 18 июня 2014